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 Rating 5   very pleased
This product arrived two days after it was purchased and in the exact condition promised. I am very happy with the seller and would definitely buy from them again!

 Rating 4   Free Kindle Edition
This is a review for the free kindle edition. Given that it is a free edition, it has no table of contents or hyperlinks, but given that this is basically a pamphlet, it is not really that important. I was easy to use the `search this book' option to find the 4 different sections the start with the roman numerals I through IV. I also like the `popular highlights' feature on the kindle, of which 3 or 4 sentences were highlighted that people thought were interesting. They were quotes that we worth noting.

Marx' pamphlet was clearly written and did a good job of presenting his ideas. I summarize the main sections below.

The first section is a summary of the class struggles between the proletariats and the bourgeois, or the oppressed and the oppressors. He actually does a good job pointing out many actual problems.

The second section describes the relationship between proletarians and communists. He makes it clear that the aim of communists is to overthrow the bourgeois class to be replaced with the proletariat class.

The third section describes the socialist and communist literature and describes each type of socialism. He clearly dislikes socialists almost as much as he does capitalists.

The fourth section was a summary of the differences between communism and various other opposition parties, mostly socialists. He dislikes most of them because they do not go far enough in overthrowing the existing systems of government.

I was struck by his belief that swapping the two classes would result in a permanent fix to the problem. History has born out that empowering the oppressed class just turns them eventually into oppressors. Communists eventually become an elite class and there still becomes a less privileged class. The incentive to excel becomes stifled and overall prosperity suffers.

This was worth reading and is a good reminder to all of us to do everything we can to prevent a class of people from feeling oppressed. Many ideas of communism were very bad, but some of their solutions were good, including universal free education. I'm still convinced that the US system of government is the best there is, though it is not perfect.

 Rating 5   Worthwhile even now
The reason I wanted to read The Communist Manifesto now is that I don't remember reading it in school and this current financial mess, called the Great Recession, seems at its core the result of greed gone wild, underpinned with our system of capitalism which seems to have in it the very incentives to bring on this excessive greed. So, I was hoping this book would give me some meaningful thoughts with which to further have clues to the way things might play out during this financial mess including the political ramifications. And, from what I do know about Marx, I suspect what happened here is something he had thought out, in a general way, many years before. The Manifesto and the book's foreword cover things like......

1. 1847, Marx and Engels joined the League of the Just (renamed the Communist Party) with its object to overthrow the bourgeoisie with rule by the proletariat and a new society without classes or private property.

2. 1871, Civil war in France - Marx defended it and it then gave him notoriety as a dangerous leader of international subversion and feared by governments.

3. Over the next 40 years the Manifesto conquered the world and carried forward a rise of new (socialist) labor parties. None were called Communist until the Russian Bolsheviks. Mostly in central Europe to Russia. Small in SW Europe.

4. When a major state (Russia) represented Marxist ideology, the Manifesto became a text in political science and still remains so.

5. It was written for a particular time in history

6. Marx and Engel's Communist Party was not an organization - more of a historical document.

7. Two things which gave the Manifesto its force - a) the vision that capitalism was not permanent/stable, b) The revolutionary potential of a capitalist economy.

8. We live in a world where this transformation has largely taken place.

9. Capitalism can't provide a livelihood for most of the working class.

10. There will always be the oppressors (capitalists - bourgeoisie) versus the workers

11 The Bourgeoisie has stripped all occupations down to paid workers.

12. The need for constantly expanding market for its products means ultimately global.- effecting even a world literature, cheap prices - will make all nations bourgeoisie.Eventually overproduction leading to barbarism because of too much civilization. The proletariat/workers become mere appendages and lose all character. Brings more collisions between societies and trade unions will flourish. The worker groups get bigger and more powerful through education provided by the bourgeoisie. Other classes except the proletariat will decay.

13. Wage labor rests on the competition between laborers. Communists flourish independently of national borders.

14.Communism abolishes bourgeoisie property, no big deal since 90% of private property belongs to the bourgeoisie. Small peasant property is destroyed daily by industry. Average wage of laborers is the minimum wage, just for subsistence. Education is rescued from the influence of the ruling class. Since family is a bourgeoisie thing affirmed by property, family is destroyed - children are transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labor. Working men will have no country. Communism's desire is to abolish countries and nationality. National differences and antagonisms will vanish. External truths like freedom and justice will be common to all states. But, communism will abolish eternal truths like religion and morality - a new basis. Communism will raise the working class to the ruling class.

15. Specifically, communism will:
a) Abolish property in land and application of all rents to public purposes.
b) Abolish inheritance.
c) Confiscate property of emigrants and rebels.
d) Have a national bank.
e) Centralization of communication and transportation by the state.
f) Factories and instruments of production to be owned by the state.
g) Combine agriculture and manufacturing so there will be no distinction between town and country.
h) Free education.

So, I would say the Communist Manifesto, though really just applied to a time in history and times have surely changed quite a bit since then, but I would also say what it was concerned about also shouldn't be ignored when trying to understand the current economic stress we are in. Our capitalism, though obviously very successful especially in many respects, does show strain in the following areas, as Marx could have likely anticipated like a) the gap between the well-off and the poor and even middle-class has dangerously widened such that our political divisions reflect that and has turned more heated and split, making compromise among our politicians very difficult - hard to govern the country efficiently. b) He warned that the bourgeoisie (today's well-off) has been unable to effect the tools to elevate everyone enough, judging by our failing infrastructure, healthcare costs the highest in the world, etc. c) He anticipated the global impact, ever searching for the least cost workers, such that our manufacturing workers are left without jobs. We can even see this global force in our illegal immigration problems - workers from Mexico, etc coming here, somehow even breaking down our borders - something Marx apparently could see. I did leave off some other things in how the Manifesto was relevant now, in this short paragraph, but from the points, above, it can be seen there are others.

In conclusion, I give the book 5 out of 5 stars. It is a short enough book and just its impact has been monumental in history, it is worthwhile to keep in mind as one tries to figure out what might come next from this Great Recession.

 Rating 1   working man as powns take overs of lands and murder is the result of this dumdass idea
i have read this many times i also have it on my ipod. i have study it for about a month so as to understand every bite so as to be sound in my opinion of this work. my end result is that i side with the nsdap this spector is the worst evil ever put forth to the world as a from of government and is nothing more then a way for the take over of land and wealth by the people(look up what race marx and engles were) that came up with this vile document and using the working man as thier pown and history will back me but on that.

 Rating 4   Just What I Expected
With the things going on in our coutry today everyone should read the Manifesto. No one can deny its influence on centuries of political and econonmic thought and everyone should be familiar with its precepts. With that said, as I read it the thought that kept coming to my mind was what happens after the revolution? It's very general and is meant to be so as even in the 1800's there were many Socialist sects with their own individual needs which communism was attempting to unite. However, a lot of the logic didn't follow for me. For example,

"When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed. It loses its class character."

These ideas and many others along this same line make me question how viable communist ideas are in the real world. And the most telling of all was the introduction to this edition and the notes from Friedrich Engels. The preface to this edition was written in 1888 and Engels admits that some of his suppositions about history are wrong and that some applications of his principles have been unsucessful. However, the excuse as always is they (whatever socialist group) didn't do it right.

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